How Christians Became Catholic and Non-Catholic
I’m trying to show how the Bible reveals roots of Catholics and Non-Catholic.
History contradicts some traditions, but does not contradict the Bible.
In fact, it brings out truth in the Bible like Jesus told John, “Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink.” (Mark 10:39)
This was prophecy of John’s martyrdom recorded by history of being boiled in oil. Tradition has him not dying but living to an old age.
Friction between mothers of Abraham’s sons is still alive just as friction between Christians that started at the first church counsel.
The devil fooled man that obeying Jewish laws were necessary to go to heaven.
“World’s ideas how to be saved: by doing good and obeying rules...” (Col. 2:20)
The first church counsel argued whether man became a Christian by God’s gift (faith only) or by faith and obeying His laws (faith plus works).
Each side thought they had won by James’s “judgment.”
Catholics declared they started with Peter, but they started with Christians that practiced Jewish laws, which was contrary to Peter and Paul.
Catholics say, “Let us train a child until he is seven and he will always be Catholic.”
Are we all ‘victims’ of teachers and leaders? This search for truth may lead from the safety of tradition.
God inspired men to write the Bible, but He didn’t hold their hands.
Please put tradition aside and use only Bible and history truth when judging this article.
As grain and chaff are gathered together and wind separates the chaff, gather all of men’s opinions recorded in His Word and let the Holy Spirit separate opinions not from God.
This concept is different than the tradition that all words from good men in the Bible came from God, even when they argued with each other.
All men should be careful their spiritual leaders never become spiritual bosses.
History contradicts some traditions, but does not contradict the Bible.
In fact, it brings out truth in the Bible like Jesus told John, “Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink.” (Mark 10:39)
This was prophecy of John’s martyrdom recorded by history of being boiled in oil. Tradition has him not dying but living to an old age.
Friction between mothers of Abraham’s sons is still alive just as friction between Christians that started at the first church counsel.
The devil fooled man that obeying Jewish laws were necessary to go to heaven.
“World’s ideas how to be saved: by doing good and obeying rules...” (Col. 2:20)
The first church counsel argued whether man became a Christian by God’s gift (faith only) or by faith and obeying His laws (faith plus works).
Each side thought they had won by James’s “judgment.”
Catholics declared they started with Peter, but they started with Christians that practiced Jewish laws, which was contrary to Peter and Paul.
Catholics say, “Let us train a child until he is seven and he will always be Catholic.”
Are we all ‘victims’ of teachers and leaders? This search for truth may lead from the safety of tradition.
God inspired men to write the Bible, but He didn’t hold their hands.
Please put tradition aside and use only Bible and history truth when judging this article.
As grain and chaff are gathered together and wind separates the chaff, gather all of men’s opinions recorded in His Word and let the Holy Spirit separate opinions not from God.
This concept is different than the tradition that all words from good men in the Bible came from God, even when they argued with each other.
All men should be careful their spiritual leaders never become spiritual bosses.
posted by Rex Ray at Saturday, June 17, 2006
2 Comments:
Not that it's going to convince you, but I'm honor bound to speak the truth...
There were no Anabaptists in 251. There were some heretics that agreed on a few points held by the later Anabaptists. However, if you examine the full scope of the alleged Anabaptists' beliefs, you'll find that they are quite clearly not Anabaptists.
The person who wrote Trail of Blood did a great injustice to the Anabaptist and Baptist faiths.
Also, the name Catholic was used in reference to the Catholic Church about 2 centuries earlier than cited. The term is applied by Ignatius in his letter to the Smyrnaeans.
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-21.htm
May God bless and guide you...
- Timothy
Timothy,
You sure know a lot more about Ignatius than I do. Where do you think he got the idea that the preacher was right up there with God? Or what do you think he believed? He sure sounds like he fits the description of Paul asking who had hypnotized the Galatians (3:1). Wonder how this Gentile church got Ignatius as their second bishop? Did the ‘mother church’ (Jerusalem) send him? Was his letters written around 50 AD?
You are right he used the word Catholic, but the term is use for more definitions than just a denomination. I got Catholics being named in 313 from another book other than the Trail of Blood.
You are right that a few so called ‘heretics’ in 251 agreed on a few points. Those points included baptizing babies did not give them salvation. Anabaptist and heretics were hated names by the majority—much like moderates and so called liberals are today.
You are also right that the information you gave me did not lesson my belief in the Trail of Blood.
Rex Ray
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